{"id":11229,"date":"2024-04-18T16:31:10","date_gmt":"2024-04-18T16:31:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2024\/04\/18\/2024-power-of-narrative-boston-university-empathy-listening-interviewing\/"},"modified":"2024-10-18T14:46:32","modified_gmt":"2024-10-18T14:46:32","slug":"2024-power-of-narrative-boston-university-empathy-listening-interviewing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2024\/04\/18\/2024-power-of-narrative-boston-university-empathy-listening-interviewing\/","title":{"rendered":"2024 Power of Narrative: How to bring empathy to your reporting"},"content":{"rendered":"    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p><em>EDITOR\u2019S NOTE: This is the third dispatch from the 2024 Power of Narrative conference at Boston University. For the others, see&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/stories\/nonfiction-narrative-deadline-podcasts\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">deadline narratives<\/a>&nbsp;by a Wall Street Journal podcast team, and the&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/stories\/2024-power-of-narrative-story-structure-nonfiction-atavist-seyward-darby\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">braided structure<\/a>&nbsp;used by The Atavist for complex stories.<\/em><\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p class=\"has-drop-cap\">As a science and health journalist, I often write about contested illnesses \u2014 conditions that elude mainstream medicine because they lack clear symptoms and lab findings. That means I spend a lot of time talking with families who feel unseen. Empathy is a key motivator for my reporting. I found solace and inspiration from this advice shared by journalist and author Evan Ratliff at the 2019 Power of Narrative session and\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/stories\/narrative-nuggets\/\">covered on Storyboard<\/a>: \u201cReport your way to empathy. If you can\u2019t see the world through your subject\u2019s eyes, the answer is more reporting.\u201d<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>After a source discloses their struggles, I often sense a shift in our relationship. They become more candid, confessing worries about public disclosure. Some have acknowledged me in their organization\u2019s newsletter or invited me to contribute toward related political efforts. One mother, after emailing lengthy replies to follow-up queries after a 90-minute interview, told me: \u201cI really have to apologize for talking too much. When someone is genuinely curious and willing to listen, everything sort of pours out.\u201d<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-pullquote mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<figure class=\"wp-block-pullquote\"><blockquote><p>\u201cWhen someone is genuinely curious and willing to listen, everything sort of pours out.\u201d <\/p><cite>\u2014<em>A story source to reporter Esther Landhuis<\/em><\/cite><\/blockquote><\/figure>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Interactions like this tug at my heartstrings. I remind myself that I am a reporter and try to enforce appropriate boundaries, even as some sources start treating me as an advocate.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>In a sense, I&nbsp;<em>am<\/em>&nbsp;an advocate \u2014 simply by taking time to hear and understand what they\u2019ve gone through and then to convey those experiences to a dominant culture in which they feel neglected or misunderstood.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-image mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<figure class=\"alignleft size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"425\" height=\"318\" src=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Screenshot-2024-04-18-at-8.51.54\u202fAM-e1713455892780-1.png\" alt=\"Philadelphia journalist Denise Clay-Murray at the 2024 Power of Narrative conference at Boston University\" class=\"wp-image-11233\" style=\"width:250px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Screenshot-2024-04-18-at-8.51.54\u202fAM-e1713455892780-1.png 425w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Screenshot-2024-04-18-at-8.51.54\u202fAM-e1713455892780-1-300x224.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 425px) 100vw, 425px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Denise Clay-Murray <small>Matthew Eadie<\/small><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/div>    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>So when I attended the&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/combeyond.bu.edu\/offering\/the-power-of-narrative-conference\/schedule\/\">2024 Power of Narrative Conference<\/a>&nbsp;at Boston University last month, I gravitated toward a session titled \u201cThe Power of Empathy: How Putting Yourself in Your Subject\u2019s Shoes Can Better Your Reporting.\u201d<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>\u201cWe have been trained systematically that objective journalism is the standard we live by. But there is no part of objectivity that says you cannot also be empathetic,\u201d said&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/deniseclaymurray\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Denise Clay-Murray<\/a>, a Philadelphia-based journalist who covers politics.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Clay-Murray defined empathy as \u201cthe ability to understand how people feel emotionally and see things from their point of view.\u201d<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Some tips and reminders:<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-list mb-4 list max-w-screen-full mx-auto pl-5 \">\n            \n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Ask good questions<\/strong>. \u201cThat is 99.9 percent of storytelling \u2014 asking really good questions and using the answers to tell the story.\u201d<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Pay attention<\/strong>. \u201cLook people in the eye. Pay attention to them. You may not agree with what they\u2019re saying, you may be thinking in your own head, as you\u2019re listening to them, \u2018this person is nuts,\u2019 but in the end, people just want you to pay attention. If you pay attention, there\u2019s probably something that you\u2019re going to learn that you can turn into a good story.\u201d<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Earn their trust<\/strong>. Sources are \u201cnot under any obligation to talk to you. You have to make them feel like if they\u00a0<em>do<\/em>\u00a0talk to you, what they say is what\u2019s going to go in your story,\u201d Clay-Murray said. Often when sources are misquoted in previous publications, \u201cthey\u2019re not going to talk to you \u2014 and in some neighborhoods, that could mean the entire neighborhood is not going to talk to you.\u201d<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Do no harm<\/strong>. As with the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hippocratic_Oath\">Hippocratic Oath<\/a>\u00a0in medicine, \u201cit\u2019s the same thing for practicing empathy in journalism. You\u2019re already dealing with folks who have had a traumatic experience. You don\u2019t want to make it worse.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Acknowledge your own bias and know what you don\u2019t know<\/strong>. Report \u201cexactly what\u2019s in front of you, not what you think it is.\u201d<br>Clay-Murray shared an example from a training on gun violence reporting. \u201cThis kid had been shot. There was no indication that he had done anything wrong. But because the principal at his school saw that he had been shot, she assumed that he had done something wrong and this kid was kept from his graduation, his senior trip and his senior prom because the principal refused to let him come back to school. That was her stereotype.\u201d<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Trauma comes in many flavors<\/strong>. \u201cWhen we talk about trauma in journalism, we often talk about things like terrorism and war and gun violence. We don\u2019t necessarily talk about chronic illness or life-threatening illness. It is just as traumatic knowing that you have a disease that can kill you. And these kinds of trauma probably require more of your listening skills than the stuff that\u2019s more obvious.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-list mb-4 list max-w-screen-full mx-auto pl-5 \">\n            \n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Prioritize self-care<\/strong>. If you\u2019re uncomfortable listening to the story that\u2019s being told to you, good. Recognize your discomfort. If you can relate so much that you\u2019re not uncomfortable, then you might be a little too close to the story. \u201cEmpathy allows you to get close, but don\u2019t get too close because in the end, you still have a job to do. And that job is telling the story.\u201d<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Don\u2019t be afraid to say no<\/strong>. Empathy allows you to recognize where your limitations are. If you go into a situation where you\u2019re trying to push through, and you\u2019re covering certain things, that\u2019s not going to help the communities that really need you to be all there to tell their stories. If anything, it\u2019s going to cause harm.<br>Clay-Murray gave a personal example. \u201cOne of my first assignments when I got out of college was covering HIV and AIDS. Now, these days if you\u2019re covering HIV and AIDS, it\u2019s bad but it\u2019s not really harsh. I was doing this in the early 90s when the drug cocktails were not nearly what they are now, and getting HIV, especially if you were poor, was basically a death sentence. Almost everybody I interviewed died either a week after I talked to them or two weeks after I talked to them, or not so long after. I was constantly going to memorial services for people that I had just had interviews with, and in many cases, really liked as people because they were interesting. After doing this for, like, six months, I went to my editor and said, you\u2019re gonna have to find somebody else to take this beat. Because I can\u2019t do it. Mentally, it\u2019s weighing me down. So somebody else is going to have to take this beat.\u201d<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Don\u2019t confuse empathy with sympathy.<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cSympathy is a shared emotional bond. you don\u2019t necessarily need that bond to be empathetic. All you have to do is being willing to let the story come to you, or let the person who is talking tell you what happened.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p><em>* * *&nbsp;<\/em><\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p><em><strong>Esther Landhuis<\/strong>&nbsp;is a freelance science and health 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