{"id":14443,"date":"2025-02-21T14:07:26","date_gmt":"2025-02-21T14:07:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/?p=14443"},"modified":"2025-02-21T14:21:11","modified_gmt":"2025-02-21T14:21:11","slug":"elon-green-journalism-privilege-to-learn-as-you-go","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2025\/02\/21\/elon-green-journalism-privilege-to-learn-as-you-go\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;Journalism is the privilege to learn as you go&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/about\/subscribe-to-nieman-storyboard\/\"><em>Sign up for the Nieman Storyboard newsletter,<\/em><\/a><em>&nbsp;delivered every Friday in your inbox.<\/em><\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\">***<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p class=\"has-drop-cap\">Dear Storyboard community,<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>This week we&#8217;re excited to welcome back Elon Green as a contributor to Storyboard. He&#8217;s a journalist and author of two books, <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/last-call-a-true-story-of-love-lust-and-murder-in-queer-new-york-elon-green\/14692328?ean=9781250833020\">&#8220;Last Call: A True Story of Love, Lust, and Murder in Queer New York&#8221;<\/a> and the forthcoming <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/the-man-nobody-killed-life-death-and-art-in-michael-stewart-s-new-york-elon-green\/21413642\">&#8220;The Man Nobody Killed: Life, Death, and Art in Michael Stewart&#8217;s New York.&#8221;<\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>As we were brainstorming ideas for Storyboard, I asked him about his favorite nonfiction books of the last few years. His immediate reply: <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/the-barn-the-secret-history-of-a-murder-in-mississippi-wright-thompson\/21084989?ean=9780593299821&amp;next=t&amp;next=t\">&#8220;The Barn,&#8221;<\/a> by Wright Thompson, an account of the 1955 murder of 14-year-old Emmett Till in Mississippi. Thompson&#8217;s book began as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/magazine\/archive\/2021\/09\/barn-emmett-till-murder\/619493\/\">a story in The Atlantic<\/a> and grew into a deeper history of the South and the forces that led to the horrific crime.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>How did Thompson do it? Green believes you can learn a lot about how an author works \u2014 ranging from their book-proposal and reporting processes to the loved ones who sustain them \u2014 by looking at their acknowledgments pages.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Sure enough, Thompson offers Green some excellent insights and moving personal stories about how he reported and wrote the book. <a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2025\/02\/20\/acknowledgments-wright-thompson-the-barn\/\">Read the full story here<\/a>.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>In Green&#8217;s own acknowledgments for his new book, he writes that &#8220;at its most gratifying, journalism is the privilege to learn as you go.&#8221; And he looks back on his early <a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/authors\/elon-green\/\">interviews and story annotations for Nieman Storyboard<\/a> \u2014 interviewing everyone from Rachel Kaadzi Ghansah to Roger Angell \u2014 as his own version of a J-school education. <\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s how I learned to report, research, and write,&#8221; Green told me.&nbsp;&#8220;Instead of studying the work of the greats in an academic setting, I got to ask them about it myself \u2014 a priceless experience.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<div class=\"block block-subscribe full-width\">\n            <h2 class=\"subscribe-title\">Subscribe to Storyboard<\/h2>\n        \n            <div class=\"subscribe-content\">\n            <p>Get insights into the craft of journalism and storytelling in your inbox, delivered on Fridays.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    \n                <div class=\"subscribe-embed\">\n                            <div class=\"mt-5\">\n                 <div translate=\"no\" class='mailmunch-forms-widget-1154494'><\/div>\n\n                <\/div>\n               \n                    <\/div>\n    \n<\/div>    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Links of note <\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-image mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/nieman.harvard.edu\/columbia-journalism-school-and-the-nieman-foundation-announce-shortlists-for-the-2025-j-anthony-lukas-prizes\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"512\" src=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/02\/2025-Lukas-Shortlist-Bookshelf_Dark-small-1024x512.png\" alt=\"Columbia Journalism School and the Nieman Foundation announce shortlists for the 2025 J. Anthony Lukas Prizes\" class=\"wp-image-14466\" style=\"width:644px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/02\/2025-Lukas-Shortlist-Bookshelf_Dark-small-1024x512.png 1024w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/02\/2025-Lukas-Shortlist-Bookshelf_Dark-small-300x150.png 300w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/02\/2025-Lukas-Shortlist-Bookshelf_Dark-small-768x384.png 768w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/02\/2025-Lukas-Shortlist-Bookshelf_Dark-small-1536x768.png 1536w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/02\/2025-Lukas-Shortlist-Bookshelf_Dark-small-2048x1024.png 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/div>    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-list mb-4 list max-w-screen-full mx-auto pl-5 \">\n            \n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Columbia Journalism School and the Nieman Foundation <a href=\"https:\/\/nieman.harvard.edu\/columbia-journalism-school-and-the-nieman-foundation-announce-shortlists-for-the-2025-j-anthony-lukas-prizes\/\">have announced the 2025 shortlists<\/a> for the J. Anthony Lukas Work-in-Progress Awards, the J. Anthony Lukas Book Prize and the Mark Lynton History Prize. The Lukas Prize Project, established in 1998, honors the best in American nonfiction book writing. <a href=\"https:\/\/nieman.harvard.edu\/columbia-journalism-school-and-the-nieman-foundation-announce-shortlists-for-the-2025-j-anthony-lukas-prizes\/\">Get the full list here.<\/a> <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Reeves Wiedeman wrote a terrific New York magazine profile of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vulture.com\/article\/snl-future-after-lorne-michaels-leaves-retires.html?origSession=D250113cOpakXNg3UyCc8kSo%2Fm9dxjVJaNLbxUYDWDlXG7PZWE%3D&amp;_gl=1*omen4g*FPAU*OTk2NjIxOTMwLjE3MzYzNzMyMzg.*_ga*MjA0OTU5NTcyNS4xNzM2MzczMjM3*_ga_DNE38RK1HX*MTczOTY0Njc5NS4yMC4wLjE3Mzk2NDY5MjEuMC4wLjE3Njk3NzI2OTM.*_fplc*MHlMM2xBZkQyOHRDamlkUDFPVW5ic0lxMWF0ZkVvRzR3ZXVnMU1ld0E4RVU5Y0x6Y3VGMmRaZ014T0NVV2l2bzhINk51U084b0tsSHNBT1VhWGVHZnZRVVo1JTJGdUQlMkJvenEzZEF4NGd5cjkxMiUyQnBldUJFclp1cnRkcVdkUnN3JTNEJTNE\">&#8220;Saturday Night Live&#8221; creator Lorne Michaels<\/a>. It&#8217;s all the more impressive given that a) Michaels didn&#8217;t participate, b) some in his orbit were skittish about saying anything on the record, partially because they wanted to make sure they were invited to the show&#8217;s 50th anniversary party, and c) there are already countless books and stories about Michaels and &#8220;SNL&#8221; \u2014 including <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/lorne-the-man-who-invented-saturday-night-susan-morrison\/21671540?ean=9780812988871&amp;next=t&amp;affiliate=2186\">a new biography by Susan Morrison<\/a>.<br><br>For our purposes here on Storyboard, Choire Sicha asked Wiedeman the most important question of all: <a href=\"https:\/\/link.nymag.com\/view\/619bfe2e82bb16369177914amyq4i.6u7\/08c61aad\">How did he keep track of all his sources<\/a>?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-quote mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Thank you for asking this question. I have a spreadsheet. It has many tabs. The tabs sort of morph and grow and then condense. I keep track in there of when I&#8217;ve reached out to people, how I&#8217;ve reached out to people, whether they&#8217;ve responded, little notes for things I want to talk to them about, priority for who I want to talk to first. On a story like this, there&#8217;s been a couple hundred writers, almost 200 cast members, at least that many people who&#8217;ve worked there. Every story I start working on, I fire up a spreadsheet and just start filling in names. Maybe my excitement here is a little sad?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>[Storyboard editor&#8217;s note: Not sad at all!]&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Interview your elders&nbsp;<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Finally, I loved this Facebook post from journalist <a href=\"https:\/\/lauriegwenshapiro.com\/books\/\">Laurie Gwen Shapiro<\/a>, author of the forthcoming book <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/the-aviator-and-the-showman-amelia-earhart-george-putnam-and-the-marriage-that-made-an-american-icon-laurie-gwen-shapiro\/21786398\">&#8220;The Aviator and the Showman: Amelia Earhart, George Putnam, and the Marriage That Made an American Icon.&#8221;<\/a> I&#8217;m resharing it here with her permission:&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-quote mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>One of the first things I tell my youngest students is to interview the oldest person they know. My first features assignment is always a profile, and if they\u2019re unsure who to choose, I tell them: Start with the oldest person in your life. You may not get another chance.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>One of my new students, all of 21, told me the oldest person she knew was her grandfather, who had dementia and was drifting in and out of awareness. She was considering profiling a basketball star instead. I told her, \u201cYou can write about the basketball star any time. But your grandfather? Do it now. Drop everything.\u201d<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>I urged her to ask her mom for help\u2014he recognizes her best and asked to have her mom sing with him, because music is often the last thing to go.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Yesterday, she messaged me: \u201cThe interview went better than I could have imagined.\u201d Her grandfather had moments of clarity, he sang, and she decided to include the song in her first draft as multimedia.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Just now, she reached out again. Her grandfather had passed away. She wrote: \u201cOh my God, I can\u2019t believe you made me do this. This is something I will have forever.\u201d<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Please, if you have an elder in your life\u2014record them. Interview them. Capture their voice, their laughter, their songs. Do it as soon as you can. You will never regret it.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p><\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Keep sharing your stories,<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   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