{"id":15155,"date":"2025-03-28T12:55:38","date_gmt":"2025-03-28T12:55:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/?p=15155"},"modified":"2025-03-31T17:18:40","modified_gmt":"2025-03-31T17:18:40","slug":"podcast-erika-hayasaki-trauma-informed-reporting-reported-essay","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2025\/03\/28\/podcast-erika-hayasaki-trauma-informed-reporting-reported-essay\/","title":{"rendered":"Nieman Storyboard podcast: Erika Hayasaki on trauma-informed reporting and celebrating the &#8216;reported essay&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p class=\"has-drop-cap\">On the debut episode of the <a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.buzzsprout.com\/2449998\">Nieman Storyboard podcast<\/a>, host and Storyboard editor Mark Armstrong sits down with acclaimed journalist and author <a href=\"https:\/\/www.erikahayasaki.com\/\">Erika Hayasaki<\/a>, for an in-depth conversation about trauma-informed reporting, questions of &#8220;telling a story versus taking a story,&#8221; and when it makes sense for journalists to include their own stories in their work.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Hayasaki has written for The New York Times, The Atlantic, Wired, New York magazine, and many other publications, and she&#8217;s a professor at UC Irvine in the Literary Journalism program. She&#8217;s the author of two books, <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/the-death-class-a-true-story-about-life-erika-hayasaki\/7060715\"><em>The Death Class: A True Story About Life<\/em><\/a> (2014), and <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/somewhere-sisters-a-story-of-adoption-identity-and-the-meaning-of-family-erika-hayasaki\/18506602\"><em>Somewhere Sisters: A Story of Adoption, Identity, and the Meaning of Family<\/em><\/a> (2022).&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-spacer mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<div style=\"height:28px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-html mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<div id=\"buzzsprout-player-16872817\"><\/div><script src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2449998\/episodes\/16872817-erika-hayasaki-on-trauma-informed-reporting-and-celebrating-the-reported-essay.js?container_id=buzzsprout-player-16872817&#038;player=small\" type=\"text\/javascript\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>[ Follow us in <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/nieman-storyboard\/id1804505440\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4cN4SOwf5Am05PoA9wckcA\">Spotify<\/a>, or your <a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.buzzsprout.com\/2449998\/episodes\">favorite podcast app<\/a>. ]<\/strong><\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-spacer mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<div style=\"height:33px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Hayasaki also has a newsletter, <a href=\"https:\/\/thereportedessay.substack.com\/\">The Reported Essay<\/a>, which features invaluable advice and interviews on crafting narrative nonfiction. She named her newsletter &#8220;The Reported Essay&#8221; to make a case for rethinking the definition of narrative journalism, to make room for reporting that is also informed by personal experience. &#8220;If people were able to learn these tools and understand it, but also bring their own perspectives, like as somebody from the community, and do more of that kind of reporting, merging of the reporting and the written, first-person [essay], [then] we could have all the more powerful stories.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Armstrong and Hayasaki also discuss her series of stories about the devastating Maui wildfires. Her New York magazine piece, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thecut.com\/article\/maui-fires-hawaii-escape.html\">&#8220;Maui on Fire,&#8221;<\/a> was just selected for The Best American Science and Nature Writing anthology guest-edited by Susan Orlean.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>(Excerpts below are edited for length and clarity.)&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Erika Hayasaki on telling stories in the aftermath of tragedy:&nbsp;<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-quote mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Stories continue, people&#8217;s lives continue, it continues to be hard months, years, many years after. Coming away from being a newspaper reporter, that&#8217;s something that I&#8217;ve also really learned to recognize \u2014 the long tail of a tragedy or any kind of story. Time changes a lot of the events within the story, and people&#8217;s lives change, and those can be also rich for storytelling in terms of \u201chow do you really come to understand the aftermath of a tragedy and the people who are most affected by it?\u201d Sometimes it&#8217;s the people who are the most vulnerable in society who are affected by these things, and they are the most often forgotten and left behind.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">On &#8216;telling a story&#8217; vs. &#8216;taking a story&#8217;&nbsp;<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-quote mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>What do you do when you&#8217;re thrown into the worst moment of somebody&#8217;s life, right in the aftermath? When you&#8217;re [working] in news, it&#8217;s right on the day it&#8217;s happening, and you&#8217;re knocking on the door, and that&#8217;s the job.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>I didn&#8217;t love that, but I did it because that was the job that I got a degree to do. And so I didn&#8217;t know any better. And then when you do these longer-form pieces or features, when are you taking a story instead of telling a story? When are you being extractive and exploitive versus humanizing, and bringing them in, and giving them a bit of agency in this process? I think that that was not ever something that we talked about giving to people we write about: agency in the storytelling. We were taught to be the people who control the narrative we&#8217;re telling, in a way. But I always thought, well, it&#8217;s their lives that have happened, that we&#8217;re telling the story of their lives and what happened to them.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>So it just felt imbalanced to me, but I didn&#8217;t have language to articulate that, and really, for many years, nobody that I could have these kind of nuanced conversations about this with.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">On elevating the &#8216;reported essay&#8217; in narrative nonfiction<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-quote mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>I want to name [this] kind of reporting, and celebrate it and bring it into the conversations of traditional narrative journalism. \u2026 We have had this power dynamic within media where we are the ones who can come in and take a story from a person or a place and feel like we have, like, the ownership over it all. That&#8217;s been the sort of traditional framework of media. &#8220;We are the reporters; we know best.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>So much of what we&#8217;ve come to understand literary journalism to be \u2014 I think that so much of that work is valuable. But I also think some of it has been historically exploitive. And I also think that if people were able to learn these tools and understand it, but also bring their own perspectives, like as somebody from the community, and do more of that kind of reporting, merging of the reporting and the written, first-person [essay], [then] we could have all the more&nbsp; powerful stories.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Links, stories, and books mentioned<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-list mb-4 list max-w-screen-full mx-auto pl-5 \">\n            \n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/longreads.com\/\">Longreads<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/ursastory.com\/\">Ursa Story Company<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/thereportedessay.substack.com\/\">The Reported Essay<\/a> (Erika Hayasaki\u2019s newsletter)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/thereportedessay.substack.com\/p\/becoming-trauma-informed\">&#8220;Becoming Trauma Informed&#8221;<\/a> (Erika Hayasaki, 2024)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/science\/archive\/2025\/01\/palisades-fire-malibu-deaths\/681337\/\">\u201cThe Place Where I Grew Up Is Gone\u201d<\/a> (Nancy Walecki, <em>The Atlantic<\/em>, January 2025)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2024\/09\/19\/maui-wildfires-freelance-journalism-pitching-narrative-structure\/\">&#8220;How a freelancer\u2019s story instincts landed a piece in The New York Times&#8221;<\/a> (Kim Cross, Nieman Storyboard, 2024)&nbsp;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.menshealth.com\/health\/a61765941\/maui-wildfire-survivors-mental-health\/\">\u201cA Merciless Sun\u201d<\/a> (Erika Hayasaki, <em>Men\u2019s Health<\/em>, August 2024)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.elle.com\/culture\/career-politics\/a61879420\/maui-fires-women-survival\/\">\u201cHer Community Burned in the Maui Fires. Now She\u2019s Helping the Island Heal.\u201d<\/a>&nbsp; (Erika Hayasaki,<em> ELLE<\/em>, August 2024)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2024\/08\/21\/business\/maui-wildfires-survivors-deaths.html\">\u201cShe Survived the Maui Wildfires. She Couldn\u2019t Survive the Year After.\u201d <\/a>(Erika Hayasaki, <em>The New York Times<\/em>, August 2024)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/us-news\/article\/2024\/aug\/08\/maui-wildfire-survivors-relocate-las-vegas-heatwaves\">\u201cFor Maui wildfire survivors who moved to Las Vegas, another climate disaster awaits: extreme heat\u201d<\/a> (Erika Hayasaki, <em>The Guardian<\/em>, August 2024)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.thecut.com\/article\/maui-fires-hawaii-escape.html?origSession=D25012970tgWGOvTqLT1XzeG43uRFJApz2%2BcBq5K4h0kOSIOlA%3D&amp;_gl=1*kcrygr*FPAU*MzA5NjQ1MTk3LjE3MzgxMTY5OTU.*_ga*MTk2NTQyMjAzNi4xNzM4MTE2OTk1*_ga_DNE38RK1HX*MTczODExNjk5NC4xLjAuMTczODExNjk5NC4wLjAuMTg2MjE0NTM0NA..*_fplc*S1hZbGxLU01YemNocFBpJTJCT3lEdVB6YWNvN3pWdkkxTTVYYkwlMkJKS3piQ29ZQjFQSzlGM3JoNjhtSml5UWJxTVYyeiUyQk1NUmFORjZlVWl0NDMzMiUyQmRpTG9XUTdlZGJsZyUyQlJwZ3RhTkhRMGo4YVROWFBGR1haWDNHVDc0QXgwQSUzRCUzRA..\">\u201cMaui on Fire: When the wildfires came, a young couple turned toward each other to survive Hawaii\u2019s deadliest natural disaster.\u201d<\/a> (Erika Hayasaki, The Cut. January 2024)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.latimes.com\/la-na-french25apr25-story.html\">\u201cA deadly hush in Room 211 &#8212; then the killer returned\u201d<\/a> (Erika Hayasaki, <em>Los Angeles Times<\/em>, April 2007)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2021\/02\/18\/magazine\/amazon-workers-employees-covid-19.html\">\u201cAmazon\u2019s Great Labor Awakening\u201d<\/a> (Erika Hayasaki, <em>The New York Times,<\/em> February 2021)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/science\/archive\/2017\/09\/how-motherhood-affects-creativity\/539418\/\">\u201cHow Motherhood Affects Creativity\u201d<\/a> (Erika Hayasaki,<em> The Atlantic<\/em>, September 2017)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2018\/04\/11\/magazine\/black-mothers-babies-death-maternal-mortality.html\">\u201cWhy America\u2019s Black Mothers and Babies Are in a Life-or-Death Crisis\u201d<\/a> (Linda Villarosa, <em>The New York Times<\/em>, April 2018)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Books by Erika Hayasaki<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-list mb-4 list max-w-screen-full mx-auto pl-5 \">\n            \n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/somewhere-sisters-a-story-of-adoption-identity-and-the-meaning-of-family-erika-hayasaki\/18506602\"><em>Somewhere Sisters: A Story of Adoption, Identity, and the Meaning of Family<\/em><\/a><em>&nbsp;<\/em><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/the-death-class-a-true-story-about-life-erika-hayasaki\/7060715\"><em>The Death Class: A True Story About Life<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Show Credits<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Hosted and produced by Mark Armstrong<br>Associate producer: Marina Leigh<br>Episode editor: Kelly Araja<br>Audience editor: Adriana Lacy<br>Promotional support: Ellen Tuttle<br>Operational support: Paul Plutnicki, Peter Canova<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Nieman Foundation curator: Ann Marie Lipinski<br>Deputy curator: Henry Chu<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Music: \u201cGolden Grass,\u201d by Blue Dot Sessions (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.sessions.blue\">www.sessions.blue<\/a>)<br>Cover design by Adriana Lacy<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Nieman Storyboard is presented by the <a href=\"https:\/\/nieman.harvard.edu\/\">Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard<\/a>. 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