{"id":15416,"date":"2025-05-02T12:55:45","date_gmt":"2025-05-02T12:55:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/?p=15416"},"modified":"2025-05-02T12:55:46","modified_gmt":"2025-05-02T12:55:46","slug":"how-podcast-storytelling-is-evolving","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2025\/05\/02\/how-podcast-storytelling-is-evolving\/","title":{"rendered":"How podcast storytelling is evolving"},"content":{"rendered":"    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p class=\"has-drop-cap\">Dear Storyboard community,&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Starting this week we&#8217;re featuring stories and insights from the recent 2025 <a href=\"https:\/\/combeyond.bu.edu\/offering\/the-power-of-narrative-conference\/\">Power of Narrative conference<\/a> at Boston University, with reporting from new Storyboard contributors (and BU journalism students) <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lindsayshachnow.org\/\">Lindsay Shachnow<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/avaberger.journoportfolio.com\/\">Ava Berger<\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/emilia-wisniewski-2298a7224\">Emilia Wisniewski<\/a>.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Specifically, we&#8217;re digging into the craft of audio storytelling, with <a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2025\/05\/01\/snitch-city-boston-globe-magazine-story-podcast\/\">an inside look at &#8220;Snitch City,&#8221;<\/a> the serialized podcast from The Boston Globe&#8217;s investigative Spotlight team, and <a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2025\/05\/01\/wheel-of-pain-lessons-audio-storytelling-julia-barton\/\">lessons on how to write for audio<\/a>, from producer (and 2024 Nieman Fellow) <a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/authors\/julia-barton\/\">Julia Barton<\/a>.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>As Mary Schmich and I <a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2025\/04\/24\/mary-schmich-podcasts-division-street-revisited\/\">discussed last week<\/a>, unlike newspaper columns, podcasts and digital media have few boundaries or constraints when it comes to space, length, and story structure. You can build a cliffhanger into each episode, or produce a series of standalone vignettes. But when it comes to budget and distribution, the constraints are clearer.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>The post-&#8220;Serial&#8221; boom created an explosion of serialized narrative podcasts. This demand was also driven by the platform distributing these shows \u2014&nbsp;Apple Podcasts, and later Spotify. As podcasting matured, there was pressure for more episodes, more downloads, and more growth, so we moved into a world where &#8220;always-on&#8221; chat shows became the trend. (If you had <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newheightshow.com\/\">a member of the Kelce family involved<\/a>, even better.)&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Now, with YouTube embracing podcasters, audio hosts are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.watchingtogetheralone.com\/p\/i-dont-want-to-see-you-you-seem-bored\">turning on their cameras to capture video, too<\/a>. Editing a show for both YouTube and audio can <a href=\"https:\/\/thepodcastlife.beehiiv.com\/p\/the-challenges-of-video-podcasts?_bhlid=a78cfba4d4bcfa5807eb47faeb8576b4e7793785&amp;last_resource_guid=Post%3A701a37c3-4173-4981-8211-829b76467875&amp;utm_campaign=the-challenges-of-video-podcasts&amp;utm_medium=newsletter&amp;utm_source=thepodcastlife.beehiiv.com\">present its own storytelling challenges and compromises<\/a> \u2014 how many jump cuts can I use on video before I look like a malfunctioning robot? \u2014 but the lure of the audience can be too compelling to ignore.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>As algorithms and trends change, journalists and producers are looking for new ways to do impactful work: Some news organizations might consolidate their longform documentaries into an <a href=\"https:\/\/podthenorth.substack.com\/p\/should-you-consolidate-your-podcasts\">&#8220;umbrella feed&#8221;<\/a> instead of offering standalone shows; others might turn their work into an audiobook.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>&#8220;\u200aWhere I come down is that there&#8217;s a lot you can do to be a storyteller regardless of the format,&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/soundjudgment.substack.com\/\">Sound Judgment&#8217;s Elaine Appleton Grant<\/a> told me. &#8220;You can use a lot of the same storytelling techniques \u2014 you can &#8216;narrative-ize&#8217; a chat show.&#8221; While formats and platforms evolve, the core principles of reporting and storytelling remain the same.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2025\/05\/01\/snitch-city-boston-globe-magazine-story-podcast\/\">Inside \u2018Snitch City\u2019: How Boston Globe reporters turned a magazine story into a podcast<\/a><\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-image mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2025\/05\/01\/snitch-city-boston-globe-magazine-story-podcast\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" src=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/05\/snitch-podcast-image-3x2-ratio--1024x683.jpg\" alt=\"&quot;Snitch City&quot; illustration by J.D. Paulsen for The Boston Globe\" class=\"wp-image-15410\" style=\"width:594px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/05\/snitch-podcast-image-3x2-ratio--1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/05\/snitch-podcast-image-3x2-ratio--300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/05\/snitch-podcast-image-3x2-ratio--768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/05\/snitch-podcast-image-3x2-ratio--1536x1025.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/05\/snitch-podcast-image-3x2-ratio--2048x1366.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">&#8220;Snitch City&#8221; illustration by J.D. Paulsen for The Boston Globe<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/div>    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>[ <a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2025\/05\/01\/snitch-city-boston-globe-magazine-story-podcast\/\">Read the story<\/a> ]<\/strong><\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2025\/05\/01\/wheel-of-pain-lessons-audio-storytelling-julia-barton\/\">The \u2018wheel of pain,\u2019 and other lessons in audio storytelling from Julia Barton<\/a><\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-image mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2025\/05\/01\/wheel-of-pain-lessons-audio-storytelling-julia-barton\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"760\" src=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/05\/crop-Barton-Nieman-headshot-1024x760.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-15419\" style=\"width:576px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/05\/crop-Barton-Nieman-headshot-1024x760.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/05\/crop-Barton-Nieman-headshot-300x223.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/05\/crop-Barton-Nieman-headshot-768x570.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/05\/crop-Barton-Nieman-headshot-1536x1140.jpeg 1536w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/05\/crop-Barton-Nieman-headshot-150x110.jpeg 150w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2025\/05\/crop-Barton-Nieman-headshot.jpeg 1740w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/div>    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>[ <a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2025\/05\/01\/wheel-of-pain-lessons-audio-storytelling-julia-barton\/\">Read the story<\/a> ]<\/strong><\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Links of note<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n  <section class=\"block block-embed\">\n                <div class=\"video-responsive\">\n        <iframe title=\"youtube\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/fPMpZoHD1zo\" frameborder=\"0\"\n                allow=\"accelerometer; 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Ralat, and Mike Hall.&nbsp;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Jelani Cobb tells us exactly what he&#8217;s doing in the opening of his <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/magazine\/2025\/05\/05\/ryan-coogler-profile\">profile of &#8220;Sinners&#8221; and &#8220;Black Panther&#8221; director Ryan Coogler<\/a> \u2014 calling out the storytelling tropes of Marvel movies to recreate the origin story of Hollywood&#8217;s hottest director. In a flashback, he takes us to &#8220;the corner of Lake Park and Grand Avenues, in central Oakland, California,&#8221; where Coogler&#8217;s dad first brought him to see \u201cBoyz n the Hood\u201d at the Grand Lake Theater in the summer of 1991.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;To write a memoir is to accept the reality that you will need to have hard conversations not just with yourself but with your family.&#8221; Storyboard contributor <a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/authors\/mallary-tenore-tarpley\/\">Mallary Tenore Tarpley<\/a> offers <a href=\"https:\/\/mallary.substack.com\/p\/10-tips-for-writing-about-family\">10 excellent tips on how to write about family<\/a> for memoirs and personal essays.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Congrats to the <a href=\"https:\/\/peabodyawards.com\/awards\/winners\/\">winners of the 85th Annual Peabody Awards<\/a>, announced Thursday.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block 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