{"id":16062,"date":"2025-09-11T12:50:33","date_gmt":"2025-09-11T12:50:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/?p=16062"},"modified":"2025-09-11T14:11:04","modified_gmt":"2025-09-11T14:11:04","slug":"new-yorker-sam-wolson-interactive-storytelling","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2025\/09\/11\/new-yorker-sam-wolson-interactive-storytelling\/","title":{"rendered":"The New Yorker&#8217;s Sam Wolson on interactive storytelling about a mother and her trans teenager leaving the U.S."},"content":{"rendered":"    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p class=\"has-drop-cap\">On the latest episode of the <a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.buzzsprout.com\/2449998\/episodes\">Nieman Storyboard podcast<\/a>, The New Yorker\u2019s Interactives Visual Features Editor <a href=\"https:\/\/www.samwolson.com\/\">Sam Wolson<\/a> joins Storyboard Editor <a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/authors\/mark-armstrong\/\">Mark Armstrong<\/a> for a conversation about his latest story, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/news\/as-told-to\/a-mother-and-her-trans-teen-decide-to-leave-the-us\">\u201cThere\u2019s No Place at Home: A Mother and Her Trans Teen Decide to Leave the U.S.,\u201d<\/a> about a mother and her trans teenager deciding to move to Mexico after President Trump\u2019s efforts to restrict gender-affirming care.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>The story is an interactive visual feature that combines photorealistic 3D models \u2014 using photos taken at the family\u2019s house in Maine \u2014 with illustrations by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lillicarre.com\/\">Lilli Carr\u00e9<\/a> and reporting and writing by Wolson. For Wolson, \u201c\u200athere was something really powerful in that raw physicality of their home and what it means to leave a home that felt really valuable to the telling of this story in a way that I don&#8217;t think you would&#8217;ve had if you just were hearing them talking about leaving it.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>\u201cI&#8217;m a parent and I think there&#8217;s something universal to the story about just asking \u2026 what would you do for your kids? If this is the decision that you have decided to make and you think it&#8217;s the right choice for your family.\u201d<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-spacer mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<div style=\"height:39px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-html mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<div id=\"buzzsprout-player-17818698\"><\/div><script src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2449998\/episodes\/17818698-the-new-yorker-s-sam-wolson-on-interactive-storytelling-about-a-mother-and-her-trans-teenager-leaving-the-u-s.js?container_id=buzzsprout-player-17818698&#038;player=small\" type=\"text\/javascript\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>[ Follow us in <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/nieman-storyboard\/id1804505440\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4cN4SOwf5Am05PoA9wckcA\">Spotify<\/a>, or your <a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.buzzsprout.com\/2449998\/episodes\">favorite podcast app<\/a>. ]<\/strong><\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-spacer mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<div style=\"height:39px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Wolson is a filmmaker, photographer, and journalist with a focus on creating work at the cross-section of documentary storytelling and emerging technology. He has worked globally as a visual storyteller, with his projects premiering at festivals including Sundance, Venice, and SXSW.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>At The New Yorker, Wolson works with reporters, engineers, illustrators, and designers who are all interested in expanding these modes of storytelling. With virtual reality and interactive visual features, it comes down to whether a story is suited to multimedia or nonlinear narratives, in which the viewer can be placed directly into a story with the freedom to move around.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Wolson also produced\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/podcast\/in-the-dark\/cleared-by-fire\">\u201cCleared by Fire,\u201d<\/a> an interactive project released in conjunction with Season 3 of The New Yorker&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/season-3\">Pulitzer Prize-winning podcast \u201cIn the Dark,\u201d<\/a> about the killing of 24 civilians by U.S. Marines during the Iraq War. The immersive interactive documentary used witness testimony to build 3D renderings of scenes from different points of view.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Wolson won an Emmy and Peabody Award for directing and producing <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/news\/video-dept\/reeducated-film-xinjiang-prisoners-china-virtual-reality\">&nbsp;\u201cReeducated,\u201d<\/a> a VR documentary that looked inside one of the prison camps in China\u2019s Xinjiang region, as recreated using the testimonies of three men who were held there. He worked with New Yorker reporter Ben Mauk, who wrote <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/news\/a-reporter-at-large\/china-xinjiang-prison-state-uighur-detention-camps-prisoner-testimony\">the longform narrative version of the story<\/a>. \u201cLongform magazine, written journalism is very good at doing what it does,\u201d Wolson said. \u201cVR is very good at doing what it does, but you shouldn&#8217;t try to make them do what each other does. So understanding the boundaries of the medium that you&#8217;re working with \u2014&nbsp;the strengths \u2014 and then letting it sort of shine within its lane was a really important part of the process.\u201d<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>The excerpts below are edited for length and clarity.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">On \u2018There\u2019s No Place at Home\u2019:<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-quote mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>I&#8217;m a parent and I think there&#8217;s something universal to the story about just asking \u2026 what would you do for your kids? If this is the decision that you have decided to make and you think it&#8217;s the right choice for your family. There was something really resonant to me with that.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>I&#8217;ve also moved countries many times throughout my career and my life for various reasons, and I know what it means to pick up your life and to move to a new country. It&#8217;s really hard, and the thing is I&#8217;ve never had to do that out of fear. I&#8217;ve done it out of professional and personal choice. So it encapsulated a lot of these questions \u2014&nbsp;also in the context of this bigger immigration moment that we&#8217;re in, where you have people being picked [up] off the street, this huge shift in immigration policy for the country. You have this family who&#8217;s decided to give up on the United States in the context of so many people trying to come here. And this kind of turning on its head, in a way, felt really important.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">On using pseudonyms to protect the family&#8217;s privacy, and how that affects story decisions:<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-quote mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Constraints \u2026 are sort of the mother of invention in some ways. It&#8217;s like that&#8217;s where the creativity happens, is when you start having boundaries put in place. So yeah, I think the anonymity of the piece really did help define where we ended up with it.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">On constructing the visual elements for \u2018There\u2019s No Place at Home\u2019:<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-quote mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>When I got there, her garden, for instance, was just beautiful and in bloom, and [I] quickly realized in my head that this could be an incredible sort of visual metaphor or way to potentially string together various parts of the piece, right? So I spent a lot of time in the garden.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>I spent a lot of time in [the teenager] J.J.&#8217;s room interviewing them and talking to them and looking at their things and throughout the house and trying to find the place \u2026 where certain conversations happened, so capturing those rooms and then coming back, figuring out how to use those things, process those things, and then sort of weaving it all together.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>When you finally bring all those pieces together, then you have to actually work with an engineer to Frankenstein this thing to life, right? Because you can have an idea of the mockups and how things move and how it comes together, but the engineer is the person who breathes life into it. And it&#8217;s really an artistic process for the engineer as well, because there&#8217;s interpretation in what they&#8217;re doing. So then you go from there, to the engineering, and then sort of refining the story and editing and trimming until you end up with the final piece.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What sparked the idea for creating \u2018Cleared by Fire\u2019 for the \u2018In the Dark\u2019 podcast:<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-quote mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>\u200aWhen I heard what they were doing, it just checked all of the boxes for me in terms of something that I think would be valuable as an interactive project. This is a story, subject matter-wise, [that&#8217;s] important and worth spending the time on.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>The space is really important to it. We&#8217;re moving across multiple scenes where things happen with multiple perspectives. They had tons of forensic photographs, government documents.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>They talked about a lot of reconstructing what happened that day \u2026 through the testimonies and statements of people who were there. But you might have a Marine who was there who said, like, \u201cOh, in this room, I didn&#8217;t see what happened. I just stuck my gun in the room and I just fired around because we thought there were terrorists.\u201d And then you might have another Marine who was like,<em> <\/em>\u201cNo, no, no, we all saw what was going on. But it was smoky in there and we couldn&#8217;t see.\u201d And then that same Marine a month later might be like, \u201cActually I saw women and children and I shot them because women and children can hurt you too.\u201d And then you might actually have an Iraqi survivor in that same room who gives you a different perspective of what happened. And it kind of reminded me \u2014 going back to my film career \u2014 thinking about films like \u201cRashomon,\u201d where this film is grappling with all these different perspectives of an event. \u2026&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>I think bringing that idea into a journalism space felt really interesting. And at the core of each of these was a series of conflicting testimonies. So this was the seed for me of something that felt like a really fruitful, interactive idea.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">On virtual reality as a storytelling medium:<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-quote mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Where this becomes a more complicated question is in a project like \u201cReeducated,\u201d which uses virtual reality as its medium. It&#8217;s more complicated because when you put on a virtual reality headset, it makes you feel present in a space. It makes you feel like you&#8217;re literally standing or sitting or existing in a space, right? In a way that when you&#8217;re reading something, there&#8217;s some kind of abstraction there. It&#8217;s like using imagination or you&#8217;re looking at a screen and it can be really engaging and really draw you in. But it&#8217;s different than physically mimicking you feeling like you&#8217;re inside of an environment, right?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>And when that happens as a storyteller, you do have to start to think, OK, I&#8217;m making someone feel like they&#8217;re in this space. Who are they in this space? Are they part of the world? Are they an omnipotent, disembodied viewer? Do you want to implicate them in some way? So those questions become more complicated.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Reading &amp; Listening List: Authors, Stories, Podcasts, and Artists Mentioned&nbsp;<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-list mb-4 list max-w-screen-full mx-auto pl-5 \">\n            \n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/\">The New Yorker<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.monica.nyc\/\">Monica Racic<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/news\/as-told-to\/a-mother-and-her-trans-teen-decide-to-leave-the-us\">\u201cThere\u2019s No Place at Home: A Mother and Her Trans Teen Decide to Leave the U.S.\u201d<\/a> (Sam Wolson, The New Yorker, 2025)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/magazine\/2025\/05\/12\/lorna-simpson-profile\">\u201cHow Lorna Simpson Broke the Frame\u201d<\/a> (Julian Lucas, The New Yorker, 2025)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lillicarre.com\/\">Lilli Carr\u00e9<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nicholaskonrad.com\/\">Nicholas Konrad<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.inforeignland.com\/\">Aviva Michaelov<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/timklimowicz.com\/\">Tim Klimowicz<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u201c<a 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