{"id":2421,"date":"2023-04-27T12:00:48","date_gmt":"2023-04-27T12:00:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2023\/04\/27\/profiles-bu-narrative-2023-power-of-narrative-interviewing-celebrities\/"},"modified":"2024-10-21T15:41:50","modified_gmt":"2024-10-21T15:41:50","slug":"profiles-bu-narrative-2023-power-of-narrative-interviewing-celebrities","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/2023\/04\/27\/profiles-bu-narrative-2023-power-of-narrative-interviewing-celebrities\/","title":{"rendered":"2023 Power of Narrative: Prepping for profiles"},"content":{"rendered":"    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p class=\"has-drop-cap\">Profiles are the bread and butter of nearly every feature writer at nearly every type of publication, from trade magazines, to national newspapers, to the glossiest of newsstand magazines. In the rush of deadlines, it\u2019s tempting to see a profile as a one-source story or as a place to dazzle readers with your writing, even if your access to your subject wasn\u2019t broad.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-image mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<figure class=\"alignright size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" src=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2024\/03\/GeoffEdgers-e1729525242817.jpg\" alt=\"Washington Post profile writer Geoff Edgers\" class=\"wp-image-9605\" style=\"width:200px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2024\/03\/GeoffEdgers-e1729525242817.jpg 300w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2024\/03\/GeoffEdgers-e1729525242817-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2024\/03\/GeoffEdgers-e1729525242817-40x40.jpg 40w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2024\/03\/GeoffEdgers-e1729525242817-100x100.jpg 100w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2024\/03\/GeoffEdgers-e1729525242817-200x200.jpg 200w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2024\/03\/GeoffEdgers-e1729525242817-180x180.jpg 180w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2024\/03\/GeoffEdgers-e1729525242817-115x115.jpg 115w, https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/app\/uploads\/2024\/03\/GeoffEdgers-e1729525242817-230x230.jpg 230w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Geoff Edgers<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/div>    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>However,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/people\/geoff-edgers\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Geoff Edgers, a national arts reporter for The Washington Post<\/a>, had another take on the genre in a talk at the 2023 Power of Narrative conference at Boston University: The way to write the best profile is to do the best reporting.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Edgers\u2019s&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/arts-entertainment\/2023\/03\/16\/adam-sandler-interview-twain-prize\/\">profile of the actor and comedian Adam Sandler<\/a>, which ran in the Post in mid-March, was a culmination of years of work. The week it published, it was selected as one of the&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/hunterwalk.medium.com\/five-short-links-to-long-reads-e85f3efcb5e2\">recommended stories in Sunday Long Reads<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Of course, while Edgers is known for profiling some of the most famous people in America, most of us are profiling people known only in our cities or industries. Still, everyone from CEOs to dog trainers may see themselves as a celebrity, so Edgers\u2019s techniques can apply no matter who you are profiling.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Extensive pre-reporting<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Because securing a celebrity interview can take years, Edgers always has many profiles going, each at a different stage. \u201cI just have all these strings out all the time,\u201d Edgers said.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>It took him seven years to convince Adam Sandler to speak to him. He used the time well. For the artists Edgers writes about, research means being familiar with all their work, and in this case that meant he and his family watched all of Sandler\u2019s movies. \u201cYou can\u2019t fake knowing a body of work,\u201d Edgers said.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>That background research also meant interviewing co-stars, business partners and other people in Sandler\u2019s life even before he had Sandler\u2019s agreement to talk. \u201cI did all the secondaries first and hoped I wouldn\u2019t waste them,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-spacer mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<div style=\"height:40px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<div class=\"block block-legacy-page-blocks legacy-page-blocks  \">\n\n    <h2 class=\"legacy-page-blocks-subhead\">More from 2023 Power of Narrative<\/h2>\n\n    <div class=\" legacy-page-blocks-text\">\n            <p><a href=\"https:\/\/niemanstoryboard.org\/stories\/hillery-stone-writing-essays\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Hillery Stone on writing personal essay<\/a>s<\/p>\n\n    <\/div>\n\t\n<\/div>    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-spacer mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>When it comes to the secondary interviews that give a well-rounded view of the profile subject, Edgers talks to the people the subject suggests and comes up with his own list. Some of his favorite people to talk with are people who are close to the subject but who are out of the spotlight themselves. That meant talking with Sandler\u2019s buddies from New York University, some of whom he still works with, and the director of one of Sandler\u2019s first movies, who had dropped out of the public eye. \u201cI found her phone number listed online,\u201d Edgers said.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>This early reporting is important, because Edgers has already decided on an angle by the time he pitches the idea of the profile to the subject, although that angle may change during the reporting. Very often his angle is that the person is under-appreciated, he said, or that they are known for one aspect of their career when he thinks they should be better known for something else.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Edgers prefers to observe and interact with his subjects doing the things they are famous for, not a leisure activity. Some writers believe that seeing the subject out of their element adds depth to the portrayal, but Edgers disagrees. \u201cI always get asked if I play golf,\u201d he said, but he hasn\u2019t done any golfing interviews. \u201cI want to see people at work, doing what they do, but I don\u2019t want to fake it,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>When he profiled Ava DuVernay, he took the half-hour press tour interview slot for the release of her Netflix documentary \u201cThe 13<sup>th<\/sup>,\u201d but he didn\u2019t stop there. He attended a talk she gave at a prestigious arts institut, and went to the studio to see her directing the movie \u201cA Wrinkle in Time.\u201d The profile\u2019s publication was timed to the release of that movie, Edgers said, but it was based on a year of reporting.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-heading   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Trusting your curiosity<\/h2>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>Edgar said that his best profiles happen not when they are an obligatory event when the subject has a book or movie coming out, \u201cbut when I have to do this story before I die.\u201d* **<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>It\u2019s a good reminder that our best profile subjects live where our own fascinations meet our readers\u2019 interests. It\u2019s also a reminder that when we are excited about what we are writing, and treat all our profile subjects as celebrities, it\u2019s easier to create an exciting experience for the reader as well.<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p>* * *<\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-classic mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"  core-block\">\n        <div class=\"block block--core block--core-paragraph mb-5   max-w-screen-full mx-auto\">\n            \n<p><em><strong>Madeline Bodin<\/strong>&nbsp;is a freelance environmental and science journalist who is based in Vermont,<\/em><\/p>\n\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Washington Post profile writer Geoff Edgers loads up on advance research and background interviews in advance of interviewing a celebrity<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":9604,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[12],"tags":[],"topics":[],"authors":[281],"issue":[],"class_list":["post-2421","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-essays-on-craft","authors-madeline-bodin"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.5 - 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