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EDITOR\u2019S NOTE: \u201cThe Best Audio Storytelling: 2022<\/a>\u201d is a newly released audiobook compendium of English-language nonfiction. The collection\u2019s curator, Julia Barton of Pushkin Industries, spoke with creators of work in the collection about their storytelling choices and challenges. This is the final of four posts that revive \u201cAudio Danger,\u201d Barton\u2019s Storyboard series on podcasting published a decade ago. Her recent pieces update the status of podcasting as a journalistic form,<\/a> analyzes a podcast that takes us inside the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the U.S. Capitol<\/a><\/em> and features an investigation of abuses at indigenous schools<\/a> that won both a Pulitzer Prize and a Peabody Award.<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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Every type of documentary storytelling has a built-in tension between the need to plan \u2014 to prepare questions for interviews, plan shot lists, script narration \u2014 and the need for the kind of spontaneity and openness that results in great moments on tape. Now imagine a documentary podcast produced mostly inside a prison, requiring coordination with the warden\u2019s communications officer. You\u2019d think that would result in a show that\u2019s even more tightly planned \u2014 and sounds like it. But the secret brilliance of \u201cEar Hustle<\/a>,\u201d the award-winning production of PRX\u2019s Radiotopia, is that it always finds ways to sound fresh and surprising, despite its origins in the media lab at San Quentin State Prison (soon to be\u00a0revamped<\/a>\u00a0as San Quentin Rehabilitation Center) north of San Francisco.<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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I reached out to the producers of \u201cEar Hustle\u201d to talk about their recent episode \u201cLast Memory: Ryan and Earlonne<\/a>.\u201d Both that episode and the one that precedes it, \u201cLast Memory: Michael<\/a>,\u201d are poetic explorations of the memories that incarcerated people carry with them: memories of their last days on the \u201coutside.\u201d<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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\u201cFor me the idea of these stories was thinking about how memory works and how photography works,\u201d says co-host Nigel Poor, who\u2019s also a visual artist. \u201cTelling stories through pictures or through the spoken word is about trying to capture something that\u2019s quite elusive.\u201d<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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Both episodes in the \u201cLast Memory\u201d series start with the producers trying to track down an exact location, but getting a little lost. \u201cThe idea was to go to an ordinary place where something extraordinary happened,\u201d Poor says. \u201cSomething traumatic or life-transforming happened there.\u201d<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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In 2018, California\u2019s then-governor Jerry Brown commuted the sentence of \u201cEar Hustle\u2019s\u201d co-host, Earlonne Woods. But he hadn\u2019t been back to the intersection in Lawndale, in greater Los Angeles, where he was arrested on December 27, 1997. Woods, his co-host, and \u201cEar Hustle\u2019s\u201d executive producer Bruce Wallace drive to the fateful location as Woods tells the story of that day. He and his friends were, he says, \u201cup to some nefarious activities.\u201d They wound up on a high-speed chase from cops, a chase that ended in a car crash. The police opened fire, wounding Woods and killing his best friend, Furman Little.<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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Woods relates all to his co-host as they sit in the car near the intersection decades later. Poor asks him to recall the last thing he saw of his friend. \u201cHis hand,\u201d Woods says. Then the conversation veers in a surprising direction: a dream Woods once had in prison about his dead friend:<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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\u201cHe was in heaven, and he told me he was writing R&B songs and shit. I couldn\u2019t compute that, but it was just good to just see him and talk to him, you know what I\u2019m saying? And even though it was a dream, it was just something that I held onto for years.\u201d<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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It\u2019s in moments like these that you hear how \u201cEar Hustle\u201d is built on trust between the co-hosts. Even though this memory is clearly painful, Woods is able to laugh about his dream. Poor and Woods say they don\u2019t script out their interactions in the field or in the studio. They may have outline in mind, but they\u2019d rather sacrifice the efficiency of scripted narration than to give up the spontaneous flow of conversation.<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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The atmospheric scoring fades out after Earlonne Woods relates the story of his dream, followed by a few seconds of silence. Then we are introduced to someone entirely new: the second character of the episode, Ryan Pagan. Nigel Poor interviews him inside San Quentin, where he talks about his last memory, having one last dinner with his family at Applebee\u2019s before he began his 72-years-to-life sentence for first-degree murder.<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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The unnarrated transition from Woods\u2019 story to Pagan\u2019s could be jarring, but this is an episode that signaled from the start that it was going to be a bit \u201cuntethered,\u201d as Nigel Poor puts it.<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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Trusting listeners to follow the threads<\/h2>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n
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\u201c\u2018Ear Hustle\u2019 is a show where a lot of times we have two pieces of tape from two unrelated people, but just the proximity of them illustrates a thread that is hopefully clear enough that you don\u2019t actually have to (explain) it,\u201d says the show\u2019s editor, Amy Standen<\/a>. \u201cThe listener just intuits it.\u201d<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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That thread becomes clear as the episode continues: These last memories, preserved in amber after incarceration, are filled with pain and regret. They mark the place in time where mistakes and bad ideas became irrevocable, and where the life of these men diverged permanently from the lives of their families and loved ones.<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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\u201cEar Hustle\u2019s\u201d co-hosts go to visit Pagan\u2019s father and sister, who reminisce about him before his life took a terrible turn. The two still live in the house where he grew up. Then Nigel Poor returns us to San Quentin, where she asks Pagan if he wants to know what she (and also we) have heard about his mother, who recently passed away. He agrees, and so Poor relates the story that his mother would cry herself to sleep, years after his incarceration. Pagan reacts by saying. \u201cI felt it.\u201d The interview goes on:<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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Ryan Pagan:<\/strong> \u201cWhen I would think about her, I knew that she was thinking about me. I never really fully processed her passing and I think it\u2019s because I\u2019m so far removed from out there, it hasn\u2019t really hit me. And I still think that she\u2019s there. There\u2019s a lot of happiness, and there\u2019s a lot of pain in that house. Part of me doesn\u2019t want to go back. And then, part of me does.\u201d<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n\n \n

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Nigel Poor:<\/strong> \u201cDoes it almost just seem like another world in a completely different orbit?\u201d<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n\n \n

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Ryan Pagan:<\/strong> \u201cYeah, it seems a whole different \u2014 you\u2019re right, a different planet. I hate that version of me. I associate that version with the house, with that area.\u201d<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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It\u2019s here that you feel the full force of the rupture that crime and incarceration bring. But the episode isn\u2019t done with us yet. Soon we are back in Lawndale, the site of co-host Earlonne Woods\u2019 last memory. He\u2019s been shot in the back, and yet he\u2019s still running, determined to get rid of the handgun in his waistband. He throws it through a window in a nearby house.<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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More from Audio Danger revived<\/h2>\n\n
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The state of podcast storytelling<\/a><\/p>\n

A podcast from inside the Capitol insurrection<\/a><\/p>\n

An emotional investigation of an indigenous school<\/a><\/p>\n

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In the podcast\u2019s final scene, Woods and his team go looking for that house. And after some persistence, they find it and its owner, the same man who decades earlier ducked for cover when gunshots erupted outside. Then, he recounts in a slight Spanish accent, a handgun broke through his window, its laser-finder pointed right at him.<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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\u201cGood thing it didn\u2019t go off,\u201d he chuckles.<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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Woods tells the man that he was the one who threw the gun. He relates how his sentence was eventually commuted, and how he started a podcast about life inside and outside of prison. Then he pays the man back for the damaged window. We listen as the remarkable scene unfolds \u2014 as a new story starts to overwrite at least a part of the difficult memory set here.<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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Then Nigel Poor asks the man, \u201cWhy were you so nice? Why did you talk with us?\u201d<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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He says, simply, \u201cIt\u2019s my nature.\u201d<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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His generosity and simple kindness comes as an emotional gut-punch after the fraught stories we\u2019ve heard from both Ryan Pagan and Earlonne Woods. But there\u2019s no way the team could have planned this moment. They simply went to the scene with open minds, then trusted that listeners would hear this episode, and its interwoven stories, with open minds as well.<\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n

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Julia Barton<\/strong> is the executive editor of Pushkin Industries, following a long career in public radio. She helped develop \u201cRevisionist History\u201d and \u201cAgainst the Rules,\u201d among other chart-topping shows.<\/em><\/p>\n\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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